Pope to Copeland: Catholics and Charismatics must spiritually unite
We are galloping toward a one-world melding of religions, and the ramifications are staggering. Pope Francis has now sent a video message to Word of Faith father Kenneth Copeland, urging a reconciliation between Catholics and Charismatics.
“The Catholic and Charismatic Renewal is the hope of the Church,” exclaims Anglican Episcopal Bishop Tony Palmer, before a group of cheering followers at the Kenneth Copeland Ministries. Palmer said those words are from the Vatican. Before playing the video message from Pope Francis to Kenneth Copeland, Palmer told the crowd, “When my wife saw that she could be Catholic, and Charismatic, and Evangelical, and Pentecostal, and it was absolutely accepted in the Catholic Church, she said that she would like to reconnect her roots with the Catholic culture. So she did.”
The crowd cheered, as he continued, “Brothers and sisters, Luther’s protest is over. Is yours?”
Even Kenneth Copeland finds this development incredible: Said Copeland, “Heaven is thrilled over this…You know what is so thrilling to me? When we went into the ministry 47 years ago, this was impossible.”
How can this impossibility be? Could the ears of those once aware of the evils of ecumenicism suddenly be sealing shut? What is even more gobsmackingly painful is the reaction from evangelicals, who seem quite thrilled with this unholy alliance.
Here is the longer version of what Copeland and Palmer said. Note that at about 40 minutes in, Copeland and the congregants join in prayer for the “Holy Father,” then watch as Anthony Palmer videotapes a return message to Pope Francis from Kenneth Copeland himself.
Here is just the Pope’s message, at about 30 minutes in:
Here is the transcript:Related articles
“Two rules: Love God above all, and love the other (neighbor), because he is your brother and sister. With these two rules we can go ahead. I am here with my brother, my bishop brother, Tony Palmer. We’ve been friends for years.
He told me about your conference, about your meeting. And it’s my pleasure to greet you. A greeting both joyful and nostalgic (yearning). Joyful because it gives me joy that you have come together to worship Jesus Christ the only Lord. And to pray to the Father and to receive the Holy Spirit. This brings me joy because we can see that God is working all over the world. Nostalgic (yearning) because but…it happens, as within our suburbs. In the suburbs there are families that love each other and families that don’t love each other. Families that come together and families who separate themselves. We are kind of…permit me to say, separated.
Separated because, it’s sin that has separated us, all our sins. The misunderstandings throughout history. It has been a long road of sins that we all shared in. Who is to blame? We all share the blame. We have all sinned. There is only one blameless, the Lord. I am nostalgic (yearning), that this separation comes to an end and gives us communion. I am nostalgic (yearning), of that embrace that the Holy Scripture speaks of when Joseph’s brothers began to starve from hunger, they went to Egypt, to buy, so that they could eat.
They went to buy. They had money. But they couldn’t eat the money. But there they found something more than food, they found their brother. All of us have currency. The currency of our culture. The currency of our history. We have lot of cultural riches, and religious riches. And we have diverse traditions. But we have to encounter one another as brothers. We must cry together like Joseph did. These tears will unite us. The tears of love.
I am speaking to you as a brother. I speak to you in a simple way. With joy and nostalgia (yearning). Let us allow our nostalgia (yearning) to grow, because this will propel us to find each other, to embrace one another. And together to worship Jesus Christ as the only Lord of History.
I thank you profoundly for listening to me. I thank you profoundly for allowing me to speak the language of the heart. And I also ask you a favor. Please pray for me, because I need your prayers. And I will pray for you, I will do it, but I need your prayers. And let us pray to the Lord that He unites us all. Come on, we are brothers. Let’s give each other a spiritual hug and let God complete the work that he has begun. And this is a miracle; the miracle of unity has begun.
A famous Italian author named Manzoni, once wrote in his novel, of a simle man amongst the people, who once said this, “I’ve never seen God begin a miracle without Him finishing it well.” He will complete this miracle of unity. I ask you to bless me, and I bless you. From brother to brother, I embrace you. Thank you.”
- I was impressed by the Pope’s message to Kenneth Copeland Ministries. Especially when I saw Copeland’s response… (patheos.com)
- ASTOUNDING – Pope Francis Records Private Video for Kenneth Copeland? Yes! Wow… (marysaggies.blogspot.com)
- Pope Francis: “The Charismatic Movement is Necessary” (holyspiritactivism.wordpress.com)
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What do you suppose would happen?
Jesus Christ of Nazareth has already accomplished and finished the work!! Jn17:4/Jn19:30
Repentance toward the Father and faith in Christ Jesus for the forgiveness of sins: for "He died for our sins in accordance with scripture. He was buried and rose again three days later in accordance with scripture." ~this is the entire gospel that if believed, and not in vain, that is saving us. 1Cor15:1-5
If any other gospel is preached by man or by an angel may they be accursed to hell. Gal1:6-10
Matthew 7:13-16…Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it. Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheepskin clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruit…….
Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power."
The Church needs to be whole. This means that every tradition, every lie, and and every grievance needs to be addressed. EVERY SINGLE "branch" of christianity has it's issues. The solution is not condemnation, judgment, or separation. Jesus and later John said that issues need to be addressed within the body. Through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. There was absolutely nothing passed on by Christ or his followers saying splitting the church would ever be okay. Paul explicitly said otherwise several times.
Luther pointed out issues, but the mistake made was not fighting to fix those within the body. One of the greatest triumphs of the devil is that the body can't agree on where its' hands and feet are supposed to go, or what it's mouth is supposed to say.
I stand amazed at God's Word.
Simply detestable.
Interpretation: ‘This is the Christian church in the English speaking world. The Collie dog represents the majority of the pastors in today’s Church. The faceless man is Father God. The family represents the average Church congregation. The pastor (giant Collie) did not even recognize God. The pastor saw God as an enemy and the congregation, who had their attention fixed on the pastor, cheered him on in his attack, not even recognizing he was attacking God, as so many do by changing God’s Word to say something he did not mean it to say.’
In the same way that the religious Jewish leaders 2000 years ago did not recognize Jesus as the Son of God when he arrived. So too, the majority of the religious Christian leaders today may not recognize God if He were to show up again.
Malachi 3:18
Then once more you shall see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him.
(and u know what the book of Revelations says about that one !)
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication. Rev.17:4
Jesus Christ
What better authority is there to decide thee matter?
No debate there.
However, "Christian" doesn't mean "everybody".
Some people are not Christian.
Atheists, for example. By declaring themselves "atheist",
they judge themselves as "not Christian".
Given what the Bible says about homosexuality,
it SHOULD be clear that any self-declared homosexual
is "not Christian".
http://www.biblicalpov.com/homosexuality-is-a-cho…
However, the Pope stated on July 29th, 2013, concerning
the homosexuals and the church:
"Who am I to judge?"
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/who-am-i-judge-…
The first thing I was reminded of was 1 Corinthians 5:1 to 1 Corinthians 6:11.
This Scripture speaks directly to a particular case of a person committing
sexual sin, and what should be done. (Verse 5:11 is the basis for the doctrine
of excommunication, with which the Pope should surely be very familiar.)
Due in large part to the failure of the church at Corinth to correctly deal with
the sin in its midst, Paul is inspired to write concerning the responsibility
of the church to JUDGE its members. One verse seems especially
relevant here:
1 Corinthians 6:5
"I speak to your shame. Can it be, that there is not a wise man among you?
No? Not one that will be able to judge between his brothers?"
Who does the Pope have to be in order to judge self-proclaimed sinners?
I do yearn for the unity of the church.
But I will not accept unity with people who have openly rejected Christ.
Jesus Himself said:
"For every idle word that people will speak,
they will give an account in the Day of Judgment.
For by your words you will be justified,
or by your words you will be condemned."–Matthew 12:36-37
The Pope doesn't need to judge self-proclaimed homosexuals,
or atheists–they judge themselves. And the Pope should say so.
One thing i know is that if a Protestant really wants the truth as to what Catholics really believe, he should read the Early church Fathers and get a copy of the Catechism. This constant drumbeat of misinformed lines like Catholics and tradition Catholics and idol worship is just that totally MISINFORMED. If I was taught what Protestants were taught about the Catholic faith, I too would hate them and consider them idol worshipers and pagans!!! The problem is that is not what they believe or are taught. i am tired of the lies thrown in my face and accusations made on totally false assumptions. I would have a greater respect for a Protestant if they would disagree on matters of the true teachings of the Catholic Church than the propaganda that has been fed to them by their brethren.
Having said that I have great respect for many of my Protestant brethren, and I strive always to understand where they are coming from, i wish that they would at least have the respect to do the same instead of hurling stones and accusations that have no basis in fact just emotionalism and fear and slander.
God's Will, will be done with or without us.
2 Thess 2:15
Jas 2:24
Mt 7:21
http://justinpeters.org/a-call-for-discernment/